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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1973-04-24 Min - Board APRIL 24, 1973 The Special Meeting of the Board of Directors of the Truckee-Donner Public Utility District was called to order by Roy Waters at 7: 30 p. m. in the conference room. ROLL CALL: H. Loehr, present; D. Anderson, present; N. Stone, present; R. Anderson, present; R. Waters, present. GUESTS PRESENT: Jeanne Sollen, John Saibini, Frank Giovannoni, Mr. & Mrs. Robert Pyle, Mr. & Mrs. E. M. Stone, Marigrey Fish, Mr. & Mrs. Jack Houlgate, Ruth Melin, Fred Damavandi, Jack Pearse, La Roy Carroll, Mr. & Mrs. Robert Sutton, John Stralla, Mrs. Earl Brown, Mike Schanley, & Mrs. Pete Silva. EMPLOYEES PRESENT: Cattan, Paulus, Krajewski, Kinzie, B. Craig, Silva, J. Craig, Grow, & Reynolds . SIERRA PACIFIC POWER COMPANY LEASE MAILER A rough draft was presented to the Board of a mailer drawn up by management regarding the Sierra Pacific lease. After reading the circular, Nelson Stone stated he felt it was misleading and that we should omit the figures that were presented. D. Anderson felt the circular was originally brought up to ask the public if they felt there was sufficient information available for them to make a rational decision on the lease. After discussing the study-report submitted by Wilsey & Ham, Nelson Stone moved that the Board reconsider engaging Heidrick to do this study on alternate solutions available to the District. The motion was seconded by D. Anderson. ROLL CALL: H. Loehr, no; D. Anderson, yes; N. Stone, yes; R. Anderson, no; R. Waters, no. After the vote, Mrs. Pat Sutton challenged Henry Loehr' s vote on the grounds that he has to gain, as a subdivider, from Sierra Pacific should the lease go through. President Waters said this subject will have to go to court and counsel will decide on it. H. Loehr moved that we engage another attorney besides our regular counsel to act in behalf of the District; the motion was seconded by D. Anderson. ROLL GALL: H. Loehr, obstain; D. Anderson, aye; N. Stone, aye; R. Anderson, aye; R. Waters, aye. Again the circular was brought up. It was decided to omit nearly the entire circular with the exception of one paragraph stating there is going to be a special election on the lease agreement and that a study was suggested that would go into the potential revenues of the District, and how these revenues would compare to the Sierra Pacific lease agreement. On the bottom of the paragraph would be a returnable questionnaire asking if the people favor the Sierra Pacific lease, or if they favor obtaining a study to review the revenues of the District and the comparison of this potential to the lease. Mr. Jack Houlgate brought to the attention of the Board that possibly they should consider also selling the water department along with or alone from the electric department. He asked why they would keep a utility that was constantly in debt and that was not making a profit. Although the water department was in the hole $3,000 at the end of 1972, the year before showed a $10,000 profit. Tom Paulus informed him that the water department has been up and down on profit and that it should in the future start showing a slight profit. 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I think you are talking about the water system of over three to four million dollars that will be turned over to the District free of charge and it is really the questions that -will come up are the other items we are still helping with the District. We came in here, you were in process of water rights applications. We helped the District and it was our benefit. I also want to make it clear that the community benefited from that; to get your water right for Donner Lake. Mr. Anderson said a minute ago, you explained- in your Sierra Power agreement, are we looking for three r-- years from now or are we looking for the life-time of the community. These are some of the the things that will be brought up into the District. We are helping you still with McDonough in the water right applications you got got, because we feel we are part of the com- munity. I have to emphasize again that the sale of the District will effect the major community and the project that we are overtaking at Tahoe Donner. G. Cattan: I think I would like to explain that Soma Sierra is Donner Trail. (Mr. Cattan drew a diagram on the chalk board showing the relationship between the Soma Sierra tank and the new tank in- stalled by Lakewo:dd which services the Donner Trail-Meadow Park- Lakeworld area) I think most of the Board members know where Donner Trail tank is . We did not have an access. We would pass through on property that -the District did not own. What Lakeworld did was they put up here a 150,000 gallon tank. The existing tank is 100,000. They gave us this land in here and they made us an access road. Now we can reach both tanks. This 150,000 will be deducted from the 2,800,000 gallons of storage that they are to supply us with. R. Anddrs©n; Are the tanks interchangeable? .... G. Cattan: Oh, yes. They are on the same level. So all that area. . . this tank is going to be the sole control by the telemetering. It actually has nothing to do with Tahoe Donner. It serves this area around here; school, gateway, Safeway. H. Loehr: Where are you putting in the boosters? G. Cattan: Higher up from Soma Sierra. R. Waters: Any further comments? Does anybody else have something to say? J. Craig: Was that $35 a lot figure was that intended to cover the cost of construction. F. Damavandi: Yes, mostly. I think there was a question in that we have to make clear. I also mentioned about the third item that we talked about other sources to help us and the District because they will be benefiting and that is the telephone company. Just recently my project manager, Mr. Pearse, had a meeting with the Telephone Company. They will be putting many of the poles that the District will not have to put in. That is a cost that you may have included in your estimate. Thetelephone company has committed themselves to putting in 40% of the poles. That is a major expense They are going to do this at their cost because they are going to get the revenue out of it. J. Craig: But you believe the $35 per lot did cover the cost of material and labor. F. Damavandi: For the entire project? No, I don' t believe that. Page 88 Lakeworld Electric Contracts . . . . . -6. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .continued H. Loehr: That $35 was on extensions? R. Waters: Yes. G. Cattan: That is part. The rest is to be paid from revenue. Then according to our rules and regulations, Lakeworld didn' t have to pay. I am going to be frank and talk about it now, it was a voluntary contribution from Lakeworld. They didn' t have to pay a cent from connecting our lines to their facility which they have about 1200 kilowatt load up top. According to our regulations, they didn' t have to pay a cent, but that was a voluntary contribution which I discussed with Fred Damavandi. I told him we can' t afford to go up there. The District has no such money and then he said we will pay for the line. That is how that $50,000 came. I didn' t put any pressure on him. You volunteered to pay, didn' t you? It was a voluntery contribution. I didn' t force you to do it. F. Damavandi: I don' t like the word "contribution" . The reason I am saying that. . . I will be the last one to say we put in a system for you and we did all these things for you, look at what nice guys we are. We benefited alot from it. I mentioned it again and I would do it again. After all, we came to you first, our land was in your boundaries, you didn' t have to serve us . So there are many things the District has done for us. G. Cattan: What is the telemetering going to cost? F. Damavandi: $100,000. Some of the things we did, we didn' t have to do. In most of the developments when you go in the major power companys, maybe Mr. Anderson can comment on that being an engineer, when you go in they have an extension policy. The way they figure their power and the way they figure a development is to- come in and start the facilities, they go in and figure on the extension. How many kilowatts of power they will generate, what kind of revenue they are going to get and they go through this thing and they have an extension policy so that if you go in and they put in a thousand feet they say because of the power we will give you 300 feet of this free and the 700 is your problem. And then after the people go in and connect, you get this money back. So that maybe ten years from now, it wouldn' t cost the developer anything. It depends on the growth in the area. We felt it was too complicated for us to go in there and eventually get all of our money back. So that is how we arrived at things. We just figured, will this entire money cover the total cost of power for that project? No, it doesn' t. J. Craig: The only other question I have is what is Lakeworld' s feeling on the construction progress that was made, the three-phase line was conpleted in February of this year. I have heard that you' re paving schedule and development schedule is running a little bit better than ten miles a year. Is that your projectifln? Do you feel there is going to be any problem to the District in construct- ing that much line in the summer time? --- F. Damavandi: I have to reserve my comment and to only mention this. I am concerned as a developer about, with no disrespect to the Board, about the ability of the District to provide us with the growth that we have in our project the power that we want. That is the reason that I am mentioning. Due to that fact last year we had to go in ourselves and put in thirty to fifty thousand dollars worth of power lines ourselves . J. Craig: If you had control over this, if Lakeworld built their own lines or had them subcontracted would this give you much more control and possibly better results than having the District con- struct them? Page 89 Lakeworld Electric Contracts . . . . . . . -7. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .continued F. Damavandi: I think you are asking questions that I don' t think I should answer. R. Waters: Any further comments? P. Sutton: Mr. Waters , can I ask two questions all at once? Can I have a clarification on the telemetering? Is that for the water system and is that primarily for Lakeworld subdivision or is it controlling other parts of the system in Truckee? G. Cattan: The telemetering controls those two tanks and up. It will be controlled from this office. P. Sutton: Then the other thing I would like to ask is even though there may be some benefit and cooperation from the telephone company on poles, there still is going to be expense to the people in this District to fulfill the contract that was made by this Board with Lakeworld to provide power. In the Sierra Pacific lease, will Sierra Pacific complete those lines under there existing policies? F. Damavandi: Yes. P. Sutton: So that if Sierra Pacific lease goes throught that the people of this District will not be burdened with the $200,000 deficit that the building of the lines has incurred? F. Damavandi: Mrs. Sutton, if I may answer that? G. Cattan: We have Mr. John Saibini of Sierra Pacific to answer. . . F. Damavandi: I wanted to add on the telemetering. I think the reason I brought it up; I mentioned that it does benefit the District in terms of maintenance and operation so that your overhead is re- duced to the people in the community area and will be much less in our project. Your rates will remain the same. This is complicated but as I said, it is a system that we didn' t have to include but it is to our benefit and will partially benefit the community. P. Sutton: I just wanted a clarification on that because I think the wrong emphasize was made on the benefit of the people. F. Damavandi: The second thing on this Sierra Power company; the only contact we have had and I think because of the contract we have on purpose not been involved in this issue. The only comments we have had from this power company is that they will take all of the obligations of the District including our contracts. P. Sutton: Is that true, Mr. Saibini? G. Cattan: Yes , you said you will honor all obligations. J. Saibini: In our proposal it said we will take on all existing obligations at Lakeworld and your present REA load. R. Waters: Any further comments? N. Stone: Yes, I sort of fear Pat may not have picked up the full information, the $200,000, Mr. Damavandi tells us that it is only going to be 60% now because the telephone company is going to pick up the other 40%. And then it develops further that the meeting with the aud- itors the other day; it would be decreased considerably more because we have already increased our inventory. So, actually, I don' t know what we are talking about but maybe we are talking about maybe $100,000. P. Sutton: I would say that indicates even more that you are going to need a study on exactly what your obligations and your situation is. Page 90 Lakeworld Electric Contracts . . . . . . . -5- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .continued G. Cattan: The telephone company didn' t fill their obligations last year. Because the roads are not finished but now the roads are paved and they are going to meet their obligation this year by installing 40% of the poles . That is the most costly, the poles. Damavandi: Mrs. Sutton, I think there is a mistake. I think some- body. . . I have to agree with you, you have to know what is your obligation. I will be happy to meet with you or anybody or any of your staff to go over and find out really what it is that you have been committed. I feel very comfortable to think, as an example there is a cost on your poles just the pole alone is $700 per pole. Very quickly we did that even if the pole is $500, the telephone company puts in 200 to 300 poles that is $150,000 that they are going to pay. T. Paulus: Poles are about $175 . F. Damavandi: I don' t know how much poles are. I was trying to show the ratio between the two. After being committed to those poles and to have the telephone company take care of it will take a big burdon off you. They did make this promise and they had better do it. They will get alot of benefit out of it through the revenue. J. Houlgate: I think the laws of California state for electric companies that are not publicly owned, lines will be put underground. Will this mean as soon as Sierra Pacific takes over, assuming they do take over, the lines will immediately go underground. F. Damavandi: No, the laws of the State of California under the P.U. C. ruling is on the development that will start because there are financial arrangements, as you know Jack, that you make on any project in terms of what you have to do before you can get approval. The P.U.C. ruling is that once you have a project started,and you have approval on it that the P.U. C. ruling doesn' t apply. This is on a new project. J. Houlgate: Then what you say. New project, you mean by unit or by master plan? F Damavandi: Master plan. J. Saibini: It wotid apply to another project started after we take over. T. Paulus: Nelson, you made a comment that I don' t think is completely accurate. You stated that it would be reduced by approximately 40% because the telephone company is going to help with the installation. They are going to put in approximately 40% of the poles. We still have to frame and string wires so that the 40% is pretty high. In other words, they are putting in the poles, we still have to put the line on their poles. It is just a bit high. R. Waters: I want to thank you, Mr. Damavandi, for being here to- night. I am sure it does clear up some of the controversy that has ,...� arisen over your subdivision with some of the people in town. Thanks again for being here. F. Damavandi: Thank you. DIRECTORS , RECALL Mr. Loehr presented his notice of intent to circulate a recall peti- tion. Mr. Stone and Mr. R. Anderson both said they had received ident- ical notices . Mr. Stone felt that he had been slandered and would take all legal action necessary. All three directors felt that they doubted the reasons outlined in the recall petition would stand up in court and if the petition is brought up an attorney will be brought in to Page 91 Directors Recall. . . . speak in the Board member' s behalf. The meeting was recessed for a short time as Mr. John Stralla, union representative, was being delayed. The meeting was reconvened and it was noted that Director Loehr was absent. UNION NEGOTIATIONS Mr. Stralla was introduced to the Board. Roy Waters commented that if we granted each of the requests presented by the union, it will cost approximately 18% more for each employee for every day. Mr. Stralla stated that he was not under the empression he would be nego- tiating with the towns people but instead with the Board of Directors. He felt the Directors were voted into office to represent the towns people. He asked to negotiate with the Board and not the people of the community. After a brief discussion on the legality of closing the meeting for an executive session, Tom Paulus told the Board and floor that Mr. Chamberlain did write and say it was legal to close the meeting for negotiations such as this. This is as long as the proper representation is present. n There being no further business to come before the Board, it was moved by Director R. Anderson and seconded by Director D. Anderson that the meeting be adjourned to enter into an executive session to discuss the union negotiations. ROLL CALL: D. Anderson, aye; N. Stone, no; R. Anderson, aye; R. Waters, aye; H. Loehr, absent. So carried. The special meeting was adjourned by the President, Roy Waters, at 9:45 p. m. The secretary and audience were excused and the Directors, management, and Union negotiators remained for an executive session. BY: ,Y ROY WA ER , PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD MERRILYNIKINZIE-g RECORDIV SECRETARY r•-ft Page 92